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  First post venting

  by Freethinking76 in

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  hello ,i am a jw,been in the "truth " for about 6 years.i have to be very careful because i know the witnesses monitors sites and report to the elders ,i know cause that is what my blood sister does,she spends hours trying to find apostates in the closet.i know stuped.. so this is my situation.i have known about jw almost all my life and heard that only them have the truth,lots of my family are in it.i was the one taking too long to baptize ,i knew it was expected from me.and i always had a need to make ppl like me .so i took the dip.i started to notice that there are lots of jws that belong to little groups.i wanted friendship so bad and at the time had a need o tell ppl about my horrible childhood traumas i guess i was not over it yet,and needed some to lisent since i had drove my spouse nuts already .what happend this ppl pretend to want to be close to me so they can know all my business and then tell everyone at the hall.then you realize uhhh,they never confided their personal stuff to me.is like a game " you can tell me your stuff,but do not expect me to keep it to myself and do not think i will tell you my dirty laundry.a lot of mind games.. so i was alone ,invisible ,i still can't believe i put up with so much !

  i can't wright not even half of what i when through.i feel paranoic now.so i came across a youtube video by jwstruggle and blow my mind ,now i can't stop researching,my spouse is not a jw,and is very shock too.so i decided that i want to fade,i guess it won't be so hard since the sis and brothers did not had a close relationship with me.i have kids and i suffer from pts ,anxiety attacks,panick attacks and severe depression.i moved to the next town of my hall,so i have change hall too.i have not been to my new hall,and wanted to know,will the elders in my old hall contact the elders in my new hall just to see if i am attending?..

  my spouse told me " i will tell them i am not letting you go" "and "i found out that your liars!

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  Newly Enlightened

  Welcome Freethinking, glad to have you here with us
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  Jehovah's Witness Murderer Sentenced to life

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2013/07/whitney_heichels_family_confro.html.

  whitney heichel's family confront gresham woman's killer, sentenced to life in prison.

  when it came time for clinton heichel to address the man who murdered his wife, he sat silently staring at the killer, jonathan daniel holt, for a long minute.. .

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  Newly Enlightened

  Thanks for updating this story. It is pretty sad & pathetic
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  Newly wed UBM and soon to meet JW in-laws

  by UBM101 in

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  i have been lurking here for a couple of years.

  my hubby (inactive & some doubts) and i were just married and i'll be going to his place to meet his family (pretty much dubs).

  they seem to be friendly and excited to meet me, and i kind of had agreed to attend the kingdumb hall meeting once (in my life time, yep, that's the agreement) and also meeting an elder who brain-washed my hubby during his teen.

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  Newly Enlightened

  WELCOME UBM, nice to have you here with us. They will do everything they have been trained to do, to guilt you into doing what they want you to. Everyone should go to the Kingdom Hall at least once, just to see the cult mind-control process. Just don't fall for it!

  Wish you the best.
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  'Lamp' book by Ray Franz???

  by AgentSmith in

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  my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.

  "we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".

  i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Simon and the others are correct. It was whackadoodle Freddy Franz that was the 1975 prophet. And he based it on the assumption that Oct of that year was the marker of 6,000 years of mans existance. You can also reason the child abuse policies out also. The president would have the final say on that policy no matter who came up with the idea. I am not saying Ray Franz is the one, I'm just saying that the president would be responsible no matter what. Next, they'll be blaming him for all their idiotic things printed, like their WT 1972 1/1 pg 31-32 Questions from readers:

  Questions From Readers ?

  Homosexuality is definitely condemned in the Bible as something that will prevent individuals from gaining God’s approval. (1 Cor. 6:9, 10) However, whether an innocent mate would Scripturally be able to remarry after procuring a legal divorce from a mate guilty of homosexual acts must be determined on the basis of what the Bible says respecting divorce and remarriage.

  In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus Christ said: “Everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matt. 5:32) On a later occasion he told the Pharisees: “Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery.”—Matt. 19:9.

  Thus “fornication” is seen to be the only ground for divorce that frees the innocent mate to remarry.

  The Greek word for fornication is porneía. It can refer to illicit sexual relations between either married or unmarried persons. The ancient Greeks, in rare instances, may have understood this term to denote acts other than illicit sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. But the sense in which Jesus used the word porneía at Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 must be ascertained from the context.

  It should be noted that in Matthew chapters 5 and 19 “fornication” is used in the restricted sense of marital unfaithfulness, or illicit relations with another person not one’s marriage mate. Just before bringing up the matter of divorce in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ pointed out that “everyone [married] that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matt. 5:28) Consequently, when he afterward alluded to a woman’s committing fornication, his listeners would have understood this in its relative sense, namely, as signifying a married woman’s prostitution or adultery.

  The context of Matthew chapter 19 confirms this conclusion. On the basis of the Hebrew Scriptures, Jesus pointed out that a man and his wife became “one flesh,” and then added: “What God has yoked together let no man put apart.” (Matt. 19:5, 6) Now, in homosexual acts the sex organs are used in an unnatural way, in a way for which they were never purposed. Two persons of the same sex are not complements of each other, as Adam and Eve were. They could never become “one flesh” in order to procreate. It might be added, in the case of human copulation with a beast, two different kinds of flesh are involved. Wrote the apostle Paul: “Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.”—1 Cor. 15:39.

  While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual “one flesh” with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate.
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  Assuming the flood story was true , did humans eat meat before the flood ?

  by smiddy in

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  or did the slaughtering of animals as sacrificed to god from abel`s time on , just appease his blood lust.. smiddy.

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  The book of Enoch says that the Nephilim were not satisfied with the food and started eating all animals with their blood.
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  I finally found the meaning of 'BAT S#!T CRAZY!

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi7yrwljry4.

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  Newly Enlightened

  This should be on his hit list.
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  I finally found the meaning of 'BAT S#!T CRAZY!

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi7yrwljry4.

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  Newly Enlightened

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI7yrWljrY4
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  Paul's rationale...

  by NeverKnew in

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  2. bible

  as a non-jw discussing "the only true" christianity with jws, i brought up romans 14 for obvious reasons.

  after reviewing the chapter as a whole and asking appropriate questions, i went back up to verse 11 and sincerely asked, .

  "by the way, how are comparative verses like romans 14:11, isaiah 45:23 and phillippians 2:9-11 interpreted in your faith with the same language being attributed to the father in the ot and jesus in the nt?

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  Newly Enlightened

  Jesus told his disciples

  MT 28:18 "

  And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." [This was not a future verb usage, but past tense usage]

  Phil 2: 9-11 NWT "

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  So Paul correctly writes those verses acknowledging the authority of Christ.

  Doesn't get more simple than that.
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  Introducing Myself

  by DilloTrace in

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  2. friends

  i'm new to this forum and wanted to give everyone a shout out.

  i've been a silent observer of this forum for a long time, but now i feel it's time for me to break the silence and get involved.

  i've been inactive since november of last year.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Welcome to the board, we're glad to have you here! I can't believe all the 'Newbies' this week.
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  Unintended fallout from July 15 WT on "Anointed & Generation"?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus, as reported in math 24:34 said: "--this generation --will by no means pass away until all these things occur.".

  the 'all' in the jesus quotation above would include the biggest all of them all,.

  allmageddon?

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  Newly Enlightened

  Very confusing isn't it?

  When Hubby I first left last October, we started reading all those prphecies and parables for what they really said. It helped that we also bought about 12 other bible translations to compare verses. We came to the conclusion that Jesus was only talking about THEIR generation that would be alive to see Jerusalem destroyed in 70ce. There is no proof that there is a double application/fulfillment.